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Chung
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If anyone is interested in getting DLI courses for languages that aren't here, here's a link to a site that's selling some of them in .pdf or .mp3 format. The prices are relatively low (between $10 and $20) and there are DLI materials available for Indonesian, Iraqi Arabic, Russian and Serbo-Croatian. As noted elsewhere, that online store is also selling some FSI courses that are already available on this site.
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liddytime
Newbie ![]() Joined: 04 December 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 44 |
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Also check out the DLI site.
http://fieldsupport.lingnet.org/(ohxkcu45egwasjf2235kkq55)/downloads.aspx There are various field support manuals for various professions for free. I think the e-bay Dari came right off this site. Enjoy, BL |
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rambam
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I was actually confused about the various statements regarding the public domain status of Defense language courses.
I did some research and found that the Standard Chinese Course is actually copyrighted, even though it was argued to be in reality an FSI course and not a DLI Course. So for all the concern about the DLI courses which I believe to be incorrect, a simple copyright search confirmed that the Standard Chinese is copyrighted |
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DemiPuppet
Administrator ![]() Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 163 |
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Some Clarifications:
US Copyright notice "TXu000042507 / 1980-04-23" mentions modules 1 through 6 but only appears to specifically cover the Module 1 text and workbook (126 pages total). US Copyright notice " TXu000042508 / 1980-04-23" only covers optional module 1 (101 pages total). None of the audio tapes are registered for copyright with the US Copyright Office. It's not clear that the copyrights are binding since the books are being sold without copyright notice. Though copyright notice is no longer mandatory after March 1989, at least one court case (Charles Garnier, Paris v. Andin International, Inc.) has held that copies produced before March 1989 must have a copyright notice. Summary:
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rambam
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Hello DemiPuppet, Can you tell me where there being sold without the copyright notice? I though the adoption of the Berne standard by the US in ~1988 was retroactive to all works published since 1978? Also I have a copy of the text of Modules 3-4 which also have a copyright notice.Where did the editions on this site come from? Edited by rambam - 08 January 2008 at 4:57pm |
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DemiPuppet
Administrator ![]() Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 163 |
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Looking back at m earlier post I can see I may be mistaken when I said they are being sold without copyright notice. Since this site only present texts and audio directly produced by the government and some of the news posting said the texts were just purchased, I assumed that they were new. I realize now that they may have been used copies.
The texts and audio are available from the US government here: http://www.ntis.gov/ Just search for "Standard Chinese" US Copyright Office circular #3 states (emphasis mine): http://www.copyright.gov/circs/ The big question is whether these works were "published" before March 1989. If they were published after 1989, one should assume they are copyrighted even without a copyright notice. Question: When did the government start selling them and did those copies contain a notice? I'm curious, who is the copyright holder listed in your copy of Modules 3-4? |
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rambam
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I am unclear as to why the "published" status of the Standard Chinese Courses is being called into question.
The copy of Chinese 3-4 I purchased from the NTIS had the copyright in the name of the authors. The copy had a copyright date of 1980.
Any ideas?
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DemiPuppet
Administrator ![]() Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 163 |
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From my earlier response:
In all other cases of omission in works published before March 1, 1989, to preserve copyright: "Omission" means to lack a printed copyright notice in the book or not registering with the Copyright Office within 5 years of publication. Just having "Copyright Bill Smith 1980" does not tell us when the book was "published". "Published" is not the date the books were printed. Copyright notice and registration with the copyright office is not required on works "published" after April 30, 1989. According to circular #3, "published" is defined by the Copyright Office as: Also, for newer reprints: Modules 2 and above, as well as all of the audio recordings, were not registered with the Copyright Office. If they were "published" before March 1989, they would almost certainly be in the public domain no matter what copyright notice was printed inside the book. If significant copies of Module 1 were published before March 1989 without a printed notice, they too would be in the public domain. See circular #3. We have solid evidence that the other works on this site were "published". Besides sales listings on the rear inside cover of most books, a PDF version of a 1974 government sales catalog is available here: http://www.eric.ed.gov/ Look up "ed101752" in the search box. For example, in 1974 Spanish Basic Vol 1 with tapes cost $54.75 (Adjusted for inflation: $230) Also see my comments here http://fsi-language-courses.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=485 Usual Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. |
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DemiPuppet
Administrator ![]() Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 163 |
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I did a little more research into this issue.
The 1985 National AudioVisual Center's catalog listed all of the Standard Chinese Modules and optional modules for sale to the general public. It also listed the usual FSI courses as well as several DLI headstart courses. Both books and tapes were sold. A 1980 catalog shows the first 3 modules for sale. All of the catalogs are in the government documents area of the my university library. Since the course was "published" before March 1989, the copyright registration rules applied. A book needs both the copyright notice near the title page as well as official registration with the Copyright Office otherwise it enters the public domain. Only the first module and first optional module were ever registered. Summary: Modules 2 - 9, Optional Modules other than the first one, and all the tapes are definitely in the public domain. Module 1 and the first optional module are quite probably in the public domain since at least some were published without the required notice printed in the book. I'll send a copy of the catalogs to GDF the next time I send in some courses. Once again, I am not a lawer. |
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unzum
Newbie ![]() Joined: 25 April 2007 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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Some DLI courses are now available at ERIC's website:
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_Operator_2=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_2=&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_1=basic+course&ERICExtSearch_Operator_1=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_1=kw&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_To=2008&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=defense+language+institute&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_2=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchCount=2&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_From=0&ERICExtSearch_FullText=true&_pageLabel=ERICSearchResult&newSearch=true&rnd=1203435661031&searchtype=advanced You can only download the pdf from there but doesn't this give some more weight to the theory that the DLI courses are in the public domain? I don't know much about ERIC but I didn't think they put copyrighted books on their website... |
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