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Quote Linas Replybullet Topic: hungarian basic course from NTIS
    Posted: 07 April 2006 at 7:14am

Do you know that it is possible to buy Hungarian basic course from NTIS

http://www.ntis.gov/search/product.asp?ABBR=AVA21337CDRM& ;starDB=GRAHIST

I do not know whether it is copyrighted but as far as understand government funded things are not copyrighted?

Anyway this link will be interested for those who are interested in Hungarian. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Quote Linas Replybullet Posted: 01 June 2006 at 2:46am

I have ordered and got this Basic Hungarian course, and as it turned out, it is a completely new course issued in 2003, not the old course from 1960-ies. The course consists of 20 units, a unit consists of 2-3 sample dialogs(longer than in traditional FSI courses), a narrative(all dialogs and narratives are recorded) and exercises(many of the exercises are recorded although not all). Each unit is devoted to some practical topic, etc. buying, travel, at a doctor and so on. The exercises are of types "answer the questions", "translate the following sentences", "fill the missing words" , "make sentences following an example", "transform the sentences according to the model", "making meaningful sentences from the words in the table" and grammatical exercises. On the end of a unit there is one or more "understanding" dialogs, also with several exercises.

For those exercises which are recorded, answers are contained in recordings, there is a question, a pause and then answer, however for those exercises which only are in .pdf there is no answer key. The transcripts of "understanding" dialogs are given in a separate .pdf files.  

There is little if any exercises of traditional "drill" type found in old FSI courses. In general, the new FSI Hungarian Basic course resembles more Routledge Colloquial or Teach yourself courses than traditional FSI courses, only that it has more recorded dialogs and exercises.

 

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Quote bickern Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2007 at 6:16pm
http://www.ntis.gov/search/product.asp?ABBR=AV008678AE00&starDB=GRAHIST
 
Vol 1 Basic Turkish $170 is a bit steep when it is only half of what is in the public domain
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Quote Alew Replybullet Posted: 07 June 2007 at 7:51pm
It also appears to be on CD.  Does anyone know if this is really a new course or if NTIS is actually digitizing the materials?

Also, if they have created a new Hungarian course, is it possible other FSI courses would also have updated versions?  I imagine that Foreign Service officers are not learning forty-year-old versions of languages (ie, much in those books is outdated--they have probably been updated since the 60's and 70's.)

Does anyone know anything about this?
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Quote jeno111 Replybullet Posted: 07 June 2007 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by Alew

It also appears to be on CD.  Does anyone know if this is really a new course or if NTIS is actually digitizing the materials?Also, if they have created a new Hungarian course, is it possible other FSI courses would also have updated versions?  I imagine that Foreign Service officers are not learning forty-year-old versions of languages (ie, much in those books is outdated--they have probably been updated since the 60's and 70's.)Does anyone know anything about this?


Haven't you read the post by Linas ? It answers your question. It is from 2003 and not the older FSI material from the 60's which are posted here. Just because the materials are newer doesn't mean they are better.


Either read the post above or better yet I'll quote the post by Linas, just for you.




Originally posted by Linas

I have ordered and got this Basic Hungarian course, and as it turned out, it is a completely new course issued in 2003, not the old course from 1960-ies. The course consists of 20 units, a unit consists of 2-3 sample dialogs(longer than in traditional FSI courses), a narrative(all dialogs and narratives are recorded) and exercises(many of the exercises are recorded although not all). Each unit is devoted to some practical topic, etc. buying, travel, at a doctor and so on. The exercises are of types "answer the questions", "translate the following sentences", "fill the missing words" , "make sentences following an example", "transform the sentences according to the model", "making meaningful sentences from the words in the table" and grammatical exercises. On the end of a unit there is one or more "understanding" dialogs, also with several exercises.


For those exercises which are recorded, answers are contained in recordings, there is a question, a pause and then answer, however for those exercises which only are in .pdf there is no answer key. The transcripts of "understanding" dialogs are given in a separate .pdf files.  


There is little if any exercises of traditional "drill" type found in old FSI courses. In general, the new FSI Hungarian Basic course resembles more Routledge Colloquial or Teach yourself courses than traditional FSI courses, only that it has more recorded dialogs and exercises.


 



Edited by jeno111 - 07 June 2007 at 8:16pm
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Quote Alew Replybullet Posted: 07 June 2007 at 8:21pm
Thank you.

I had read Linas's post which was what prompted me to ask the question.  I meant (though I guess I wasn't very clear) to ask whether other languages were being updated, too, and, if not, why would FSI be digitizing/creating new materials for Hungarian (not in great need by Foreign Service officers at the moment) and not for courses that are more in demand?

Sorry if my question was unclear,
Alex


Originally posted by jeno111

Originally posted by Alew

It also appears to be on CD.  Does anyone know if this is really a new course or if NTIS is actually digitizing the materials?Also, if they have created a new Hungarian course, is it possible other FSI courses would also have updated versions?  I imagine that Foreign Service officers are not learning forty-year-old versions of languages (ie, much in those books is outdated--they have probably been updated since the 60's and 70's.)Does anyone know anything about this?


Haven't you read the post by Linas ? It answers your question. It is from 2003 and not the older FSI material from the 60's which are posted here. Just because the materials are newer doesn't mean they are better.


Either read the post above or better yet I'll quote the post by Linas, just for you.




Originally posted by Linas

I have ordered and got this Basic Hungarian course, and as it turned out, it is a completely new course issued in 2003, not the old course from 1960-ies. The course consists of 20 units, a unit consists of 2-3 sample dialogs(longer than in traditional FSI courses), a narrative(all dialogs and narratives are recorded) and exercises(many of the exercises are recorded although not all). Each unit is devoted to some practical topic, etc. buying, travel, at a doctor and so on. The exercises are of types "answer the questions", "translate the following sentences", "fill the missing words" , "make sentences following an example", "transform the sentences according to the model", "making meaningful sentences from the words in the table" and grammatical exercises. On the end of a unit there is one or more "understanding" dialogs, also with several exercises.


For those exercises which are recorded, answers are contained in recordings, there is a question, a pause and then answer, however for those exercises which only are in .pdf there is no answer key. The transcripts of "understanding" dialogs are given in a separate .pdf files.  


There is little if any exercises of traditional "drill" type found in old FSI courses. In general, the new FSI Hungarian Basic course resembles more Routledge Colloquial or Teach yourself courses than traditional FSI courses, only that it has more recorded dialogs and exercises.


 



Edited by Alew - 07 June 2007 at 8:22pm
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