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Poetry
Newbie ![]() Joined: 11 March 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 49 |
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That one is in our library according to the catalog lookup. I can pull it in a few days and check.
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CantoKid
Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 March 2006 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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I still hope we can get the audio for the Japanese course onto this site. I think it will be awesome!
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brian00321
Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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I'm pretty sure that Elanor Jorden still has copyright on the books/audio. I lost hope in waiting for it to show up on public domain so I went ahead and bought it (both levels). ![]() |
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Cinzia
Newbie ![]() Joined: 15 December 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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The audio companion to Jorden's text, Japanese the Spoken Language, can be accessed without login at Ohio State University's Language Lab.
http://languagelab.it.ohio-state.edu/index.php?id=1672 |
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eurasia
Newbie ![]() Joined: 12 December 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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Forget Jorden's Beginning Japanese.
Instead get her Japanese the Spoken Language in 3 volumes. It is far superior in every way - no comparison. The author even says in the introduction to Japanese the Spoken Language that Beginning Japanese was showing its age and needed to be replaced.
If you really want to learn the language and gain some insights into the way Japanese think in their language then get the Spoken Language and forget Beginning Japanese.
Jorden has really given some thought to a good way to present the structures of Japanese in a logical, building block method - most explanations are very clear although a bit excessive on the linguistic theory at times.
And the great thing about the Spoken Language, the audio is free - from Ohio State University - go to
I haven't listen to all these files from OSU - I had cassette tapes and just happened to discover the OSU website. The cassette tapes were of two versions. The first 12 lessons were redone about 10 years after the first recording and were excellent. The rest were never redone and the quality on the cassettes sold by Cheng & Tsui was horrible. At times it sounded as if the Japanese were speaking through a cloth - sound levels uneven, etc. I complained to the President of Cheng & Tsui and she called me and explained that they were given poor masters to use by the source and said she would stop selling them. The OSU files I have listened to indicate a much better quality though still highly uneven in the lessons from 13 on. Usuable - and they ARE free. Just a disappointment after the excellence of the first 12 lessons - at least on cassette.
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LTJG X
Newbie ![]() Joined: 20 September 2007 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
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Do you have a link to where you purchased the programs? I tried looking around the Cornell University online bookstore, but all I could find were the textbooks only, no audio-cassettes. I had purchased all three from Multilingual books, but the audio quality was pretty atrocious (they were apparently outsourced from a company called Audioforum.) NTIS sells Beginning Japanese I & II, but it's over $400. They don't sell Reading Japanese. I've since downloaded the Japanese: The Spoken Language .mp3s from the OSU language lab-- no complaints other than having to download something like 500 files (seriously, they could have split the lessons into 10-20 minute pieces instead of only 50 seconds each for some of the smaller ones.) |
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I'se born on the crest of a wave 'n rocked in the cradle o'the deep. Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike, the hair on me head is hemp. Every bone in me body is a spar 'n when I spits, I spits tar!
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Grimagon
Newbie ![]() Joined: 01 August 2006 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 5 |
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Thanks for posting, have been looking for some Japanese texts and audio for a while. Will check this course out :) |
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mspxlation
Newbie ![]() Joined: 29 November 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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Japanese is a great language, but do NOT use Jorden's Beginning Japanese or anything based on it.
The pedagogical concept is sound, but note the copyright date: 1963. I learned out of it--in a program directed by Eleanor Jorden herself, no less--but when I arrived in Japan in 1977, the language presented was already noticeably outdated. Even some of the situations depicted are outdated, most notably the one in which someone has to turn out the lights before watching TV (because the wiring in Japanese homes at the time couldn't take having too many electrical appliances running at once). Anyway, Japanese the Spoken Language has its good points and bad points. The good points are very natural use of language. By the time you get to the second and third books, you're learning dialogues that make native speakers ask, "Did they eavesdrop on actual people's conversations?" This book also does the best job of explaining when to use keigo (polite language). The listening exercises are great, spoken at normal speed, which is surprisingly unusual for Japanese textbooks. Now for the bad points. A lot of people don't like the fact that it's written in romaji all the way through. Personally, I think that the second and third books, at least, could have been written in Japanese script with furigana. The grammar explanations, while complete, are written in a somewhat technical style that some may find hard to understand. Finally, the vocabulary is kept excessively small. Japanese the Written Language is good, based on the excellent pedagogical principles that made Reading Japanese the best book ever for teaching kanji. (Most books on learning kanji assume that you can learn them just by writing them a few times.) Other books that I know of that are good for basic Japanese are Situational Functional Japanese, designed to get new residents of Japan handling real-life situations as fast as possible (when I was teaching, my students liked it a lot), and, if you have an instructor or tutor who is good at direct method, Bunka Shokyuu Nihongo, which is fun for its illustrations. (My students liked that one, too, but it requires a LOT of work on the part of the instructor.) |
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