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Topic: some DLI courses
Posted By: Chung
Subject: some DLI courses
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 1:15pm

If anyone is interested in getting DLI courses for languages that aren't here, here's a link to a site that's selling some of them in .pdf or .mp3 format.

http://search.stores.ebay.com/Filmsdocs_language_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZ5QQfclZ3QQfromZR10QQfsnZFilmsdocsQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ2468364QQsofpZ0 - http://search.stores.ebay.com/Filmsdocs_language_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZ5QQfclZ3QQfromZR10QQfsnZFilmsdocsQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ2468364QQsofpZ0
 
The prices are relatively low (between $10 and $20) and there are DLI materials available for Indonesian, Iraqi Arabic, Russian and Serbo-Croatian. As noted elsewhere, that online store is also selling some FSI courses that are already available on this site.



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Posted By: liddytime
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 5:54am
Also check out the DLI site.

http://fieldsupport.lingnet.org/(ohxkcu45egwasjf2235kkq55)/downloads.aspx

There are various field support manuals for various professions for free. I think the e-bay Dari came right off this site.

Enjoy,

BL


Posted By: rambam
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 12:30am
I was actually confused about the various statements regarding the public domain status of Defense language courses.

I did some research and found that the Standard Chinese Course is actually copyrighted, even though it was argued to be in reality an FSI course and not a DLI Course.

So for all the concern about the DLI courses which I believe to be incorrect, a simple copyright search confirmed that the Standard Chinese is copyrighted


Posted By: DemiPuppet
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:57pm
Some Clarifications:

US Copyright notice  "TXu000042507 / 1980-04-23" mentions modules 1 through 6 but only appears to specifically cover the Module 1 text and workbook (126 pages total).

US Copyright notice  " TXu000042508 / 1980-04-23" only covers optional module 1 (101 pages total).

None of the audio tapes are registered for copyright with the US Copyright Office.

It's not clear that the copyrights are binding since the books are being sold without copyright notice.  Though copyright notice is no longer mandatory after March 1989, at least one court case (Charles Garnier, Paris v. Andin International, Inc.) has held that copies produced before March 1989 must have a copyright notice.

Summary:
  1. The copyright notices only cover the first module (unless I missed something in my search)
  2. The books were printed without a copyright notice. If they were published (i.e. made generally available) before March 1989, the authors must register within 5 years (which they did) and "made a reasonable effort to add the notice to all copies or phonorecords that were distributed to the public in the United States after the omission was discovered...If these corrective steps were not taken, the work went into the public domain in the United States 5 years after publication." See Copyright Circular #3.



Posted By: rambam
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 9:48am

Hello DemiPuppet,

Can you tell me where there being sold without the copyright notice? I though the adoption of the Berne standard by the US in ~1988 was retroactive to all works published since 1978?

Also I have a copy of the text of Modules 3-4 which also have a copyright notice.

Where did the editions on this site come from?




Posted By: DemiPuppet
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 9:30pm
Looking back at m earlier post I can see I may be mistaken when I said they are being sold without copyright notice.  Since this site only present texts and audio directly produced by the government and some of the news posting said the texts were just purchased, I assumed that they were new.  I realize now that they may have been used copies.


The texts and audio are available from the US government here:

http://www.ntis.gov/ - http://www.ntis.gov/

Just search for "Standard Chinese"

US Copyright Office circular #3 states (emphasis mine):

The omission of notice does not affect the copyright protection, and no corrective steps are required if the work was published on or after March 1, 1989. For works published between January 1, 1978, but before March 1, 1989, no corrective steps are required if:

  1. The notice is omitted from no more than a relatively small number of copies or phonorecords distributed to the public; or
  2. The omission violated an express written requirement that the published copies or phonorecords bear the prescribed notice.

In all other cases of omission in works published before March 1, 1989, to preserve copyright:

  1. The work must have been registered before it was published in any form or before the omission occurred, or it must have been registered within 5 years after the date of publication without notice; and
  2. The copyright owner must have made a reasonable effort to add the notice to all copies or phonorecords that were distributed to the public in the United States after the omission was discovered.

If these corrective steps were not taken, the work went into the public domain in the United States 5 years after publication. At that time all U.S. copyright protection was lost and cannot be restored.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/ - http://www.copyright.gov/circs/

The big question is whether these works were "published" before March 1989. If they were published after 1989, one should assume they are copyrighted even without a copyright notice.

Question: When did the government start selling them and did those copies contain a notice?

I'm curious, who is the copyright holder listed in your copy of Modules 3-4?




Posted By: rambam
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 1:01am
I am unclear as to why the "published" status of the Standard Chinese Courses is being called into question.
 
The copy of Chinese 3-4 I purchased from the NTIS had the copyright in the name of the authors. The copy had a copyright date of 1980.
 
Any ideas?


Posted By: DemiPuppet
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 9:32pm
From my earlier response:

In all other cases of omission in works published before March 1, 1989, to preserve copyright:

"Omission" means to lack a printed copyright notice in the book or not registering with the Copyright Office within 5 years of publication.
 
Just having "Copyright Bill Smith 1980" does not tell us when the book was "published". "Published" is not the date the books were printed.

Copyright notice and registration with the copyright office is not required on works "published" after April 30, 1989.

According to circular #3, "published" is defined by the Copyright Office as:

The 1976 Copyright Act defines publication as “the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.” An offering to distribute copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display also constitutes publication.

The following do not constitute publication: printing or other reproduction of copies, performing or displaying a work publicly, or sending copies to the Copyright Office.

Also, for newer reprints:

The Copyright Office does not take a position on whether reprints of works first published with notice before March 1, 1989, which are distributed on or after March 1, 1989, must bear the copyright notice.

Modules 2 and above, as well as all of the audio recordings, were not registered with the Copyright Office.  If they were "published" before March 1989, they would almost certainly be in the public domain no matter what copyright notice was printed inside the book. If significant copies of Module 1 were published before March 1989 without a printed notice, they too would be in the public domain. See circular #3.

We have solid evidence that the other works on this site were "published".  Besides sales listings on the rear inside cover of most books, a PDF version of a 1974 government sales catalog is available here:

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ - http://www.eric.ed.gov/

Look up "ed101752" in the search box.  For example, in 1974  Spanish Basic Vol 1 with tapes cost $54.75 (Adjusted for inflation: $230)


Also see my comments here

http://fsi-language-courses.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=485 - http://fsi-language-courses.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=485

Usual Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.


Posted By: DemiPuppet
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 6:54am
I did a little more research into this issue.

The 1985 National AudioVisual Center's catalog listed all of the Standard Chinese Modules and optional modules for sale to the general public. It also listed  the usual FSI courses  as well as several DLI headstart courses. Both books and tapes were sold. A 1980 catalog shows the first 3 modules for sale. All of the catalogs are in the government documents area of the my university library.

Since the course was "published" before March 1989, the copyright registration rules applied. A book needs both the copyright notice near the title page as well as official registration with the Copyright Office otherwise it enters the public domain.  Only the first module and first optional module were ever registered.

Summary:

Modules 2 - 9, Optional Modules other than the first one, and all the tapes are definitely in the public domain.  Module 1 and the first optional module are quite probably in the public domain since at least some were published without the required notice printed in the book.

I'll send a copy of the catalogs to GDF the next time I send in some courses.

Once again, I am not a lawer.


Posted By: unzum
Date Posted: 19 February 2008 at 9:43am
Some DLI courses are now available at ERIC's website:
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_Operator_2=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_2=&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_1=basic+course&ERICExtSearch_Operator_1=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_1=kw&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_To=2008&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=defense+language+institute&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_2=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchCount=2&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_From=0&ERICExtSearch_FullText=true&_pageLabel=ERICSearchResult&newSearch=true&rnd=1203435661031&searchtype=advanced - http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_Operator_2=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_2=&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_1=basic+course&ERICExtSearch_Operator_1=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_1=kw&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_To=2008&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=defense+language+institute&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_2=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchCount=2&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_From=0&ERICExtSearch_FullText=true&_pageLabel=ERICSearchResult&newSearch=true&rnd=1203435661031&searchtype=advanced

You can only download the pdf from there but doesn't this give some more weight to the theory that the DLI courses are in the public domain? I don't know much about ERIC but I didn't think they put copyrighted books on their website...


Posted By: wickham
Date Posted: 20 February 2008 at 1:01am
Try this link to see all the downloadable DLI materials on ERIC:

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_Operator_2=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=co&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_2=&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_1=&ERICExtSearch_Operator_1=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_1=kw&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_To=2008&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=defense+language+inst&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_2=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchCount=2&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_From=0&ERICExtSearch_FullText=true&_pageLabel=ERICSearchResult&newSearch=true&rnd=1203489808780&searchtype=advanced - http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_Operator_2=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=co&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_2=&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_1=&ERICExtSearch_Operator_1=and&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_1=kw&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_To=2008&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=%22defense+language+inst%22&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_2=kw&ERICExtSearch_SearchCount=2&ERICExtSearch_PubDate_From=0&ERICExtSearch_FullText=true&_pageLabel=ERICSearchResult&newSearch=true&rnd=1203489808780&searchtype=advanced

If you run the search without the full-text-available restrictions, you'll see that there are 75 DLI publications in the microfiche collection that haven't been made available as pdf's yet. According to the site, they've been digitizing the older content since last summer, and will keep it up through next year, so there's some hope that those will also be available soon.

As for copyrights, there is copyrighted material on ERIC, so the fact that a course is available for download there doesn't indicate that it is unencumbered.


Posted By: rambam
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 7:27pm
The "Eric" website listed in the previous post lists a variety of other language courses produced for the Peace Corps.

Does anyone if the Peace Corps is a government organization? Would these publications be something to add to the site?


Posted By: unzum
Date Posted: 22 February 2008 at 6:25pm
I'm pretty sure there isn't any vocabulary available with the Peace Corps courses, at least on the internet. I've never heard of them ever being sold either so I assume they were only available to Peace Corps Volunteers. If anyone knows anything more please correct me.

As for the DLI courses, I've been going through them and I've got a tentative list of the languages that have DLI courses (some only incomplete)

- Albanian
- Arabic
- Mandarin Chinese
- Czech
- French
- German
- Haitian Creole
- Indonesian
- Japanese
- Korean (advanced)
- Malay (intermediate advanced)
- Persian
- Polish
- Portuguese
- Russian
- Spanish
- Thai


Posted By: liddytime
Date Posted: 26 February 2008 at 7:04am
Anyone have any idea how to get the mp3's that go along with the pdf's? 



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