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Quote slick kicks Replybullet Calendar Event: French Phonology help
    Posted: 25 August 2007 at 2:27am
Hi, I've just downloaded the French Phonology book and the first two tapes that belong to chapter 1.  I can follow along with the first tape but the second tape is bloody confusingAngry.  If anyone could answer the following questions it would be much aprecciated.
 
1. What part of the chaper does tape 1.2 conincide with?
 
2. When the second tape reads a number but gives no word or sound to repeat, what am I suppose to say?
 
3. What am I suppose to do for the conversation exercises and lecture exercises?
 
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4. What do the French instructions mean? (or as a student, am I not suppose to know/try to figure out myself?)
 
I know I've asked a lot of questions but I would like to get a move on with the program.
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Quote daristani Replybullet Posted: 25 August 2007 at 8:03am
If I'm not mistaken, you've download the instructor's manual to the book, and not the student's book.  The student's book is almost 400 pages long, and has instructions and explanations in English. 

I sent gdfellows a copy of the book some months ago for scanning, but it hasn't yet appeared on the site.

You're supposed to read along in the student's book as you go through the tapes, paying attention to the subtle distinctions in sound.  One key distinction that's made is the way the given sounds sound in French and the way their closest American English equivalents sound.  The contrasts are provided, and the student is supposed to identify, by number, which one is correct.  I think those are the numbers you're hearing.

So, unfortunately, without a copy of the student's book, the tapes are not that useful, since some of the material recorded on them is intentionally "non-French", to show the distinctions cited above.  I'm not sure when the book will appear on the site; the addition of new materials seems to have slowed down somewhat recently.

In any event, while it's ideal to work through the Phonology materials before starting the Basic Course, you don't really need to, and so you can start the Basic Course without the Phonology background.  Just listen closely and imitate as closely as you can.  Alternatively, you could look on Bookfinder.com or another book-search site to buy a copy of the Phonology book to use with the tapes available here.


ADDENDUM:  Forum member reltuk has been retyping the student's book; the first three lessons are available here:  http://sohn.ws/fp.txt

Edited by daristani - 25 August 2007 at 8:10am
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Quote emptysilo Replybullet Posted: 25 August 2007 at 9:05am
Yea, daristani is right. All there is here is the instructor's manual not the actual book itself. I just looked on Amazon and you can get it for 35$ with free shipping. The picture has the instructor's manual but the ISBN and title is the student's manual so I am not sure. I have a copy of the book, but not time to copy it, that I got online for cheap.

If you really want what is missing from this site, you can always buy it. Don't let the whole wait till it is free part stop you remembering you can spend a few bucks to get what you want. Look around the web and see if you can get a good deal. I did. And I don't regret buying it. Just a suggestion.

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Quote MiraW Replybullet Posted: 18 October 2007 at 2:49pm
Re: emptysilo's post: I looked for that book on Amazon.com and didn't see it. Can anyone provide a link? I'm very interested in obtaining the material.

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Quote daristani Replybullet Posted: 18 October 2007 at 5:09pm
MiraW, DemiPuppet has just advised that he's provided the French Phonology student's book, and thus that it should be on on this site fairly soon. 

 http://fsi-language-courses.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=484
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Quote emptysilo Replybullet Posted: 19 October 2007 at 1:39am
Sorry Miraw for the delay,

Here is the link I think I was talking about. This is:

http://www.amazon.com/French-Phonology-Programmed-Introduction-Institute/dp/0884328031/ref=sr_1_1/002-1841250-1288005?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192775629&sr=8-1

The instructor's text is here:

http://www.amazon.com/French-Phonology-Programmed-Introduction-Instructors/dp/B0006WT98G/ref=sr_1_2/002-1841250-1288005?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192775629&sr=8-2

The cover of my French Phonology book looks like the front cover of the instructor's manual's user submitted picture. I guess it was the original.

If you do decide to buy from amazon or a amazon seller, just contact them and make sure it is the student not the instructor's manual.

Hope this helps, Robert.

BTW, here is the worldcat entry http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/oclc/3197821?tab=editions#tabs
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Quote MiraW Replybullet Posted: 21 October 2007 at 2:02am
Thanks to both of you for the help. I really appreciate the link to Amazon since I did two searches and couldn't find the book.

I'll wait a couple of weeks and if the free material doesn't show up on this site I'll purchase the book from Amazon.

Really looking forward to getting started with the phonology. This is a great site.
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Quote DemiPuppet Replybullet Posted: 24 October 2007 at 7:21pm
Edit - Removed since French Phonology student text is now available on the site.


Edited by DemiPuppet - 21 November 2007 at 6:48pm
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Quote toivo Replybullet Posted: 25 October 2007 at 12:13pm
Thanks a lot!
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Quote Darechka Replybullet Posted: 30 October 2007 at 8:59pm
DemiPuppet, thank you so much!
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